I clearly recall your entire squad, yesterday, spamming tanks and dropships. Needless to say after that match I logged out of dust. Your squad ruined my 3 match streak of no tanks being deployed on either side... Dust was fun for a moment...

Forge gun doesn't count because you need a heavy slot? Now I'm not a fan of tanks & I want them nerfed to ****, but this is stupid, shall we dismiss the rail rifle as being an anti infantry weapon because it requires a light weapon slot, which not all suits can equip?

You've also forgotten the Laser cannon, it may be difficult to use, but some people can make it quite effective.

You also forgot remote explosives, which even without an LAV attached to them are quite effective, even if you can't be bothered to stick them to the tank, or leave them on the floor until a tank drives over it, you can also attach them to a dropship, park it on top of them, then climb out and detonate... Boom!


Tanks are fine, it's damage mods, large turrets & armour repair modules that are the problem... Price could possibly use an increase.

Unless the Pilot is smart and brings either another (or two or three) tanks to support him, or has supporting Infantry. The thing is in the current state you can beat stupid tankers with teamwork with ease (you can also solo them). But against smart Pilots working together AV is helpless, the same is true if the Pilot brings some Infantry with them...

So in general

5 Tanks > 5 AV (assuming both either work together or solo)

1 Tank 4 AI infantry men > 5 AV (assuming both sides work together)

That leads to 5 of Team A > 5 of Team B this is a problem as long as we have equal team sizes....

1.They generally are, if my main turret is weaker than the portable handheld version then something is wrong tho the breach FG is lovely to use

2. Against shield and shiny tanks

3. Made for heavy suits in mind, this is not medium frame 514 no matter how much you cry about it

4. Secondary AV weapon for extra damage, also still home in on target and never miss, want more damage? then get rid of the auto seeking crutch so your aim actually has to do the work

5. Its mainly to improve TTK for infantry

6. ISK is not a factor - Well thats what AV used to say when it was 20k worth of AV nades able to kill a 2mil tank but now the shoe is on the other foot and they dont like it

7. My FG still works, so does swarms that i have seen, also proxy can but are not used and RE work very well, AV nades are good at getting a bit more damage in

8. MLT tanks effective, thats something you dont say everyday


So far 3 months of lovely vehicles

Stay the **** out of our tanks you scrub! Just use a SL and team work. You will be fine.

No weapon is useless. Swarms just require a bit too much team work. It takes 4 mlt swarms to scare a tank

When he is 200m away on a tower constantly jumping back or hanging back with a breach jumping forward and then retreating back to charge some AV are quite impossible to kill.

Well we once had dumbfire swarms...apart from that the lock on mechanic makes swarms a niche weonon they can only be used against vehicles whereas the forges allows AI as well....

If I could weigh im at all on this conversation I would suggest to Atiim that he remember first, and my statement comes in two parts, that we are firing cannon much larger than anything you have access to, and as such infantry being HIT, by that will suffer from the forces of that cannon as they do in ALL FPS games.......BUT I hear what you are saying. AV should have a means to solo, with EFFORT, an HAV unit.

The fact they cannot I somewhat attribute to map design primarily as we do not have urban environments and or areas with significant cover to allow you proper position to take advantage of your fire power and mobility to outmanoeuvre us.

However I stand by, and all will, the need for AV engagement zones and HAV engagement zones to over lap allowing both sides the capacity to engage and destroy one another.

I cannot support the manipulation of natural efficiencies of weapons to make certain types more effective against certain vehicle types....that is breaking of immersion and not a fair or balanced game mechanic.

I can support a slight AV damage buff to compensate for the nerf of damage modules, that to me make sense.

I heavily support the tweaking of HAV themselves to balance around static AV values.


Disclaimer: I too am not satisfied with the balance between AV and HAV.....but I also do not want to see balance revert to something like 1.3-1.5 where HAVers could not see the source of AV, nor engage it. That I felt was poor mechanics.

nerf it buff its counter.

I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following:

I've have always been saying that teamwork makes a huge difference when fighting vehicles but of course I am just a scrub or some other word intended to insult me or dissuade me. It is not even worth trying to argue that working together is better than running solo and hiding. I see vehicles explode all the time from all types of AV weapons but that doesn't matter because if it isn't soloable then it is broken. A squad of six advanced geared mercs with three in AV and three supporting will wreck almost any vehicle pretty quickly when they are working as a team and coordinating attacks. Yes, multiple vehicles are tough and yes the squad needs to be supported but it can be done and is done all the time.

You cant forget about PC

PC is generally the most balanced mode we can find

If you break a role/playstyle for pubs then it becomes useless for PC

No.

It results in a massive isk loss for the AV with many infantry deaths and with so many infantry going av this gives the enemy an infantry advantage resulting in a few dead tanks but a lost match for the side trying to kill the tanks.

A defeat screen is never fun plus toss in lost isk and for many it becomes talk to the sig.

I know this isn't EVE. I am not stating that AV/vehicles are balanced. I understand there is a problem with AV. I understand that you think CCP doesn't listen or know how to balance things. I understand that you may believe that another patch may not come for a year. I know that the game has problems. I am not trying to say anything about balance, timely releases, quality of released content, competence of CCP or players or anything other than the following:

I don't understand what you all will consider balanced, like BF where one stinger will kill a jet no prob? I am not saying things are balanced. What is the appropriate way to fix this, limit vehicles to one per match? I feel like we aren't being objective on how we think vehicles should be. Militia shouldn't invalidate higher tiers but the higher tiers shouldn't make militia useless. People say that three mercs is too many to fight a HAV but at the same time people have no problem popping almost any vehicle with three people.

A good squad with flux, AV nades, RE or Prox mines can keep a vehicle at bay and still be very deadly. Pilots don't want us instapopping their vehicles but everyone else wants to solo the best fits. A proto fit militia HAV cost ISK and my 50k suit can just about handle it and sometime does destroy it. Where is the line that is considered balanced. People are too risk adverse, there is no pride in what they do and they only have short sighted complaints that they don't have a weapon that can defeat anything. Triple hardened HAVs are difficult but not impossible and anything but those are usually turned into ashed in no time.

You can't win every time and if you think you can, want to or think that you should be able to then you are playing the wrong game. It is ok to lose, it is ok to go negative to accomplish a goal. Loss is part of New Eden and should be a learning experience not a viewed as being as being bad. Five vehicles on the field? Yeah, it should take at least three mercs to fight them. A squad of six against five vehicles? Sounds about right, that still leaves at least 10 per side on foot.

Infantry do have disadvantages but so do vehicles, they can go where we can, they don't have the agility we do, they can't hide as well as we can, they don't have the same fields of view, they get stuck easier, they make much more noise and are easier to spot in the open, they can't fight multiple targets as easily as we can, they can hack objectives, they can't switch out fits as easily, they can't do many things we can do. I am not saying they are balanced. They have ups and downs and with tactics, teamwork and support can wreck infantry but the the same is true about infantry against vehicle. I am not saying they are perfectly balanced but when half a squad can kill almost any vehicle then it seems to be going in the right direction.

inb4 Facts

Tanks in real life do go down and 1 hit, and/or kills the entire crew inside.

tanks arnt op tanks in real life dont go down in one shot kill them they are TANKS i am infintary and tanker but i do agree on tank prices are way to low but 1mill is to high lke 100-200k isk will be right

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